tny
Jul 23, 10:33 AM
That was my reading, that they were ordered by their sbosses in the company to get the manuscripts ready and sent to Apple, presumably because of a deal between the two companies.
The problem with this rumor is that publishing companies most certainly would not send over *manuscripts*, which lack production editing, but rather *page proofs* or even *mechanicals*, which are post-production editing, or (since they're far more likely to have these than proofs), *loose pages* from remaindered or warehoused books. I can't imagine that they would be working from manuscripts, as they would have versioning issues (the manuscript is not the final version of what it published, as authors nearly always make changes to galley proofs, and editors *always* make changes between the manuscript and the galleys; but changes are rarely made after the page proofs, and almost never after the mechanicals); and I can't imagine that anyone in the publishing business would speak of "manuscripts" when what they much more likely to be talking about is loose pages.
The problem with this rumor is that publishing companies most certainly would not send over *manuscripts*, which lack production editing, but rather *page proofs* or even *mechanicals*, which are post-production editing, or (since they're far more likely to have these than proofs), *loose pages* from remaindered or warehoused books. I can't imagine that they would be working from manuscripts, as they would have versioning issues (the manuscript is not the final version of what it published, as authors nearly always make changes to galley proofs, and editors *always* make changes between the manuscript and the galleys; but changes are rarely made after the page proofs, and almost never after the mechanicals); and I can't imagine that anyone in the publishing business would speak of "manuscripts" when what they much more likely to be talking about is loose pages.
Secruoser
Mar 28, 08:56 PM
What's with the focus on 'sold out'? Simply limit your passes well below the projected numbers of participants, and there you go, sold out. It's just a math game and a marketing ploy.
Sydde
Mar 29, 05:59 PM
The issue that always seems to pop up in these affairs is the OIL. Well, yeah, that is important. Though we have no vested interests in Libya per se (apart from, perhaps, the Lockerbie incident, and possibly the Achille Lauro), it has been mentioned periodically that oil is "fungible". Even if we are not actually consuming Libyan oil, its absence from the global pool would affect us, so really, there is a significant interest there.
More importantly, though, the oil-soaked nations draw a lot of income from their fields, which allows/forces them to acquire the most sophisticated martial paraphernalia available. In this respect, they represent the most serious potential threat to everyone else in the world. Hence, Kuwait and not Sudan, Libya and not C�te d'Ivoire.
Really, though, I have this nagging feeling that the right-wing indignation over this action is partly being fomented by Halliburton and Blackwater, who stand to make no absurd profits in Libya.
More importantly, though, the oil-soaked nations draw a lot of income from their fields, which allows/forces them to acquire the most sophisticated martial paraphernalia available. In this respect, they represent the most serious potential threat to everyone else in the world. Hence, Kuwait and not Sudan, Libya and not C�te d'Ivoire.
Really, though, I have this nagging feeling that the right-wing indignation over this action is partly being fomented by Halliburton and Blackwater, who stand to make no absurd profits in Libya.
mdriftmeyer
Mar 28, 10:27 PM
And yet, no new iPhone will be present ... I predict a lot of attending hearts will be broken!
I doubt all those whining about $5 for Xcode 4 are attending the Developers Conference.
I doubt all those whining about $5 for Xcode 4 are attending the Developers Conference.
cecildk9999
Sep 12, 09:57 PM
Your not paying a premium for the color, you get 8GB. What sucks is you can't get 8GB in colors, lame move on Apple's part with no reason behind it.
I agree with you on the color restriction for the 8GB models; I was really hoping for total color choice across the board when I first saw the updated store picture (missed the keynote). Especially with the new SanDisk 8GB players, I thought Apple might offer a bit more choice on a high end model to entice more people (I suppose I can live with black, though; at least it's not vomit colored or something :rolleyes: )
I agree with you on the color restriction for the 8GB models; I was really hoping for total color choice across the board when I first saw the updated store picture (missed the keynote). Especially with the new SanDisk 8GB players, I thought Apple might offer a bit more choice on a high end model to entice more people (I suppose I can live with black, though; at least it's not vomit colored or something :rolleyes: )
monsterinawc
Aug 3, 10:18 PM
theres probally not gonna be anything underneath the banner
everything that reveals a new product is covered up with a black curtian
you can even see them in the pic
they're at the top left and middle right
everything that reveals a new product is covered up with a black curtian
you can even see them in the pic
they're at the top left and middle right
nemaslov
Nov 29, 02:20 PM
That album is completely lame. I was bored to tears listening to it on the Virgie magastore booth...
This is the best Beatles album period: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grey_Album
Enough Jay-Z meets the Beatles is way more creative. Someday Applecorps will need to release this.
Well it sounds pretty wonderful in 5.1 and rememberit is just really a soundtrack for a show. I find that is works wonderfully about 80% of the time and just entered the Billborad Charts at number 4..Not too shabby. There is also a different audience soundwise now who listens to most music from iPods (or the like) or from their computers, and really don't seem to listen to or care about really good high fidelity. I listen via itunes and ipods for fun and convenience but home through a really good stereo I listen mostly to vinyl and CDs. Again the DVD 5.1 of Love is one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard especially from almost 40 year old music.
This is the best Beatles album period: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grey_Album
Enough Jay-Z meets the Beatles is way more creative. Someday Applecorps will need to release this.
Well it sounds pretty wonderful in 5.1 and rememberit is just really a soundtrack for a show. I find that is works wonderfully about 80% of the time and just entered the Billborad Charts at number 4..Not too shabby. There is also a different audience soundwise now who listens to most music from iPods (or the like) or from their computers, and really don't seem to listen to or care about really good high fidelity. I listen via itunes and ipods for fun and convenience but home through a really good stereo I listen mostly to vinyl and CDs. Again the DVD 5.1 of Love is one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard especially from almost 40 year old music.
amin
Aug 30, 06:55 PM
I haven't read the whole thread, but will throw in my two cents on the original topic. I think it's fair for MS to charge considerably more for an OS that represents a few years of work than Apple charges for their yearly OS. I prefer Apple's, and I buy each new Apple OS as it comes out, but I still think it's not fair to compare cost straight away. Microsoft's multi-level charging does seem a bit extreme though.
iJays
May 5, 06:53 AM
iPad 3 - iPad 3D
I could really see that, with the iPhone 3G (it was actually the 3rd phone) and had 3G.
iPhone 3G is the 2nd gen iPhone.
3GS is the 3rd generation.
nice try tho.
I could really see that, with the iPhone 3G (it was actually the 3rd phone) and had 3G.
iPhone 3G is the 2nd gen iPhone.
3GS is the 3rd generation.
nice try tho.
MorphingDragon
Nov 4, 11:32 AM
I'm amazed that you investigated so heavily the CPU usage and yet STILL came to the wrong conclusion, that this is Apple's fault.
For the record, you're completely wrong that FLASH works well on anything but Windows PCs.
Did you not notice in those numbers that FLASH doesn't work well on ALL MACS ON ALL BROWSERS ??? And FLASH is the reason for crashes on both POWERPC and INTEL Macs, even brand new Macs, from what I'm reading in other threads here on MacRumors.
So, how again is this Apple's fault that FLASH doesn't work on any recent Apple platform, iPhone, PowerPC, or INTEL?
Because Adobe doesn't care and has written crappy software. It has nothing to do with Apple.
Not much else crashes any of my Macs, so how is this Apple's fault?
Can you imagine what would happen if Apple let the current version of FLASH on the iPhone and peoples' phones started crashing like their Apple Macs are now? It would be on FOX NEWS!
Apple's making the right call here. The ball is in Adobe's court to get it right first on Macs.
Then I'll insist Apple let FLASH on the iPhone, but not a day sooner.
And I will bet dollars to doughnuts that your Android prediction turns out wrong too, FLASH or no FLASH.
If FLASH is an epic fail on both INTEL and POWERPC Macs and with both Safari and Firefox on Macs, how the hell do you think it's going to do on the iPhone?
This is NOT Apple's problem in my opinion. Adobe has just dropped the ball.
If FLASH crashes on most people's Macs, how do you think it will fair on the iPhone, since it's mostly the same browser?
Please people, think before you put your feet in your mouths.
Its epic fail on WinMO and Windows and Linux.
For the record, you're completely wrong that FLASH works well on anything but Windows PCs.
Did you not notice in those numbers that FLASH doesn't work well on ALL MACS ON ALL BROWSERS ??? And FLASH is the reason for crashes on both POWERPC and INTEL Macs, even brand new Macs, from what I'm reading in other threads here on MacRumors.
So, how again is this Apple's fault that FLASH doesn't work on any recent Apple platform, iPhone, PowerPC, or INTEL?
Because Adobe doesn't care and has written crappy software. It has nothing to do with Apple.
Not much else crashes any of my Macs, so how is this Apple's fault?
Can you imagine what would happen if Apple let the current version of FLASH on the iPhone and peoples' phones started crashing like their Apple Macs are now? It would be on FOX NEWS!
Apple's making the right call here. The ball is in Adobe's court to get it right first on Macs.
Then I'll insist Apple let FLASH on the iPhone, but not a day sooner.
And I will bet dollars to doughnuts that your Android prediction turns out wrong too, FLASH or no FLASH.
If FLASH is an epic fail on both INTEL and POWERPC Macs and with both Safari and Firefox on Macs, how the hell do you think it's going to do on the iPhone?
This is NOT Apple's problem in my opinion. Adobe has just dropped the ball.
If FLASH crashes on most people's Macs, how do you think it will fair on the iPhone, since it's mostly the same browser?
Please people, think before you put your feet in your mouths.
Its epic fail on WinMO and Windows and Linux.
frozencarbonite
Aug 3, 12:33 PM
So do you have to be connected to an unknown network (like in a coffee shop or bookstore) for this to work?
I'm actually not in the city, so I don't have anyone around me that would be close enough to connect. Could it still work though? :confused:
I'm actually not in the city, so I don't have anyone around me that would be close enough to connect. Could it still work though? :confused:
gauchogolfer
Aug 2, 06:32 PM
The video is now posted on the Washington Post blog to see how they go about it. I'm watching it now. They do seem to stress that it's not an Apple vulnerability, but an 802.11 driver issue. Anyways, let's see what they can do.
1,000th post, sweet.
EDIT: Holy crap, that was pretty convincing to a relative amateur like me. They seemed to basically do whatever they wanted to the system. Was there something underhanded here that I didn't catch that would make this unusable in reality, or is there valid concern based on this demo?
1,000th post, sweet.
EDIT: Holy crap, that was pretty convincing to a relative amateur like me. They seemed to basically do whatever they wanted to the system. Was there something underhanded here that I didn't catch that would make this unusable in reality, or is there valid concern based on this demo?
Ugg
Apr 26, 10:29 AM
Another thing, gun ownership in the UK is very rare. So the fact that gangs which unfortunately have a make up (proportionally in London) of Black, Turkish, Kurdish and White boys means that gang members are more likely to be carrying weapons than other members of the population.
Exactly. The article totally fails to include any information about the "gun" crimes other than the color of the skin of the person arrested. It's garbage journalism.
Britain is very class based, and is probably racist too. Black people here are generally poor and don't do particularly well at school as well.
There's no such thing as a non-racist society, only those that are more tolerant than others. Also, a person's skin color on its own isn't a very good indicator of anything. A person's socio-economic and recent immigration status probably is.
Exactly. The article totally fails to include any information about the "gun" crimes other than the color of the skin of the person arrested. It's garbage journalism.
Britain is very class based, and is probably racist too. Black people here are generally poor and don't do particularly well at school as well.
There's no such thing as a non-racist society, only those that are more tolerant than others. Also, a person's skin color on its own isn't a very good indicator of anything. A person's socio-economic and recent immigration status probably is.
contoursvt
Sep 3, 07:24 PM
I'm sure you can do a clean install on the same disk from 2000 to vista (since 2000 was release a bit before 10.1, I't would be fair to not even bother bringing win98 in the scene or we'll have to drag OS 8.5 in the talks) :)
You can easily upgrade OS X from 10.1 straight to 10.5 (atleast 10.4), and if you can't, do a clean install because it's a same damn disk. Can you upgrade Win98 to Vista?
People said the same thing about XP, but all it did was to take 2000/NT code back then, add few drivers and paint it ugly blue.
You can easily upgrade OS X from 10.1 straight to 10.5 (atleast 10.4), and if you can't, do a clean install because it's a same damn disk. Can you upgrade Win98 to Vista?
People said the same thing about XP, but all it did was to take 2000/NT code back then, add few drivers and paint it ugly blue.
iDonkey
Sep 22, 11:23 PM
Any "news item" coming from the New York Post should always be treated as a Page 2 rumor. They are a hair's breadth away from running Bat Boy headlines.
toddybody
Mar 29, 07:31 AM
purty darn silly for folks to dumb down the WWDC as a keynote. Ive never been, the workshops Ive heard of sound awesome.
Starfall
Nov 12, 12:19 PM
Walled garden is what makes it work. I don't want everyone in the world to see me on there. I don't want my information on facebook outside of facebook.
It's better because of the walled garden. Sure it might be better functionality-wise if it was open. But my identity is sort of important to me and if that was compromised that doesn't benefit me at all.
So, sure. Irony. But there's a good reason for the walled garden.
I think the irony has to do with the approval process for Facebook applications (like all of those games people play on Facebook), not access to personal information.
It's better because of the walled garden. Sure it might be better functionality-wise if it was open. But my identity is sort of important to me and if that was compromised that doesn't benefit me at all.
So, sure. Irony. But there's a good reason for the walled garden.
I think the irony has to do with the approval process for Facebook applications (like all of those games people play on Facebook), not access to personal information.
mBox
Apr 15, 12:43 AM
...I edit professionally and I am stoked by what I have seen so far. Anything that makes my life easier is a good thing... As others have said, just because amateurs can afford the software, it doesn't mean that they can use it well.So true to both your statements.
The new starting point reminds me of Alias (now Autodesk) Maya's Marking Menus, where a simple stroke using a keyboard would let you speed up editing in 3D. Now with thew new Timeline/Sequence, options like Compound Clips and Magnetic Timeline, I can imagine where Apple will apply this too.
Ive seen high-end companies go from 5 digit costs to 3 in a span of 5 years due to the competition. Still doesnt mean the software is easy to use it just helps you be more creative and Apples always been about that!
Funny that Apple came up with that price of 299 cause the day before, Avid came out with a 995 crossgrade from Final Cut.
You get to keep your FC license too.
Avid Media Composer is 2500 USD.
Did Avid know what Apple was going to price FCP at?
Thats my conspiracy theory ;)
The new starting point reminds me of Alias (now Autodesk) Maya's Marking Menus, where a simple stroke using a keyboard would let you speed up editing in 3D. Now with thew new Timeline/Sequence, options like Compound Clips and Magnetic Timeline, I can imagine where Apple will apply this too.
Ive seen high-end companies go from 5 digit costs to 3 in a span of 5 years due to the competition. Still doesnt mean the software is easy to use it just helps you be more creative and Apples always been about that!
Funny that Apple came up with that price of 299 cause the day before, Avid came out with a 995 crossgrade from Final Cut.
You get to keep your FC license too.
Avid Media Composer is 2500 USD.
Did Avid know what Apple was going to price FCP at?
Thats my conspiracy theory ;)
ddrueckhammer
Sep 12, 08:20 PM
Are you insane or just trolling? You're complaining because the FREE iPod that Apple is giving to you for FREE is the previous version that was just updated today, even though you're getting it for FREE!!! For you to complain about this makes YOU the rude one. You sound like a spoiled brat whining and complaining because the porche mummy and dada bought you for christmas is black instead of red. There's just no pleasing some people. :rolleyes:
Um free is for a limited time only and you have to buy a $1000+ computer. Anyone who buys a $1000+ Mac should get a break on an iPod too. Also, I'm not complaining about the free iPod deal, I'm complaining that students used to get about a $30 break on all iPods year round. There is a reason why there is a whole education section on the Apple Online Store. Without students support, the iPod wouldn't be anywhere near the cultural icon that it is. Guess what, most students don't have a set income but their patronage is very important to Apple and iPods in general. And I'm 25, Mommy and Daddy haven't payed for me for a long time. So now who is trolling. (Hint: the guy who puts offensive posts up with big upper cased red letters)
Um free is for a limited time only and you have to buy a $1000+ computer. Anyone who buys a $1000+ Mac should get a break on an iPod too. Also, I'm not complaining about the free iPod deal, I'm complaining that students used to get about a $30 break on all iPods year round. There is a reason why there is a whole education section on the Apple Online Store. Without students support, the iPod wouldn't be anywhere near the cultural icon that it is. Guess what, most students don't have a set income but their patronage is very important to Apple and iPods in general. And I'm 25, Mommy and Daddy haven't payed for me for a long time. So now who is trolling. (Hint: the guy who puts offensive posts up with big upper cased red letters)
Jackie.Cane
Sep 13, 09:04 AM
I've been waiting for these! Can't wait to get one with the Nike + sports kit.:cool:
orangerizzla
Apr 2, 02:32 AM
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8 megapixels eh? All we need now are interchangeable lenses and a nice iBag to carry them in. I too subscribe to the megapixel myth but bring it on anyway!! :)
8 megapixels eh? All we need now are interchangeable lenses and a nice iBag to carry them in. I too subscribe to the megapixel myth but bring it on anyway!! :)
grassland
Mar 7, 06:34 PM
actors,trinity nfld.
BRLawyer
Apr 12, 02:52 PM
This is exactly what pisses me off about ordinary Brazilians: they are awfully unable to see the positives - instead, it seems like Brazil is a living hell, and this ever since the country was "discovered" in 1500.
For people like you the country will never be good enough, especially since you're neither patriot nor a believer in turning something for the better.
I think we live in different countries, because what you see here is:
through taxes, we pay the State for education. But if we want good education, we must buy back the private sector. We pay twice for the same service.
Brazil's best Universities are public; as for primary public schools, it's clear that the uniformization of our educational system has brought improvements, even though regional differences exist. But to generalize this is to forget how crappy the same public schools are in some regions of the US and Europe.
through taxes, we pay the state for health. But if we want good health, we need to buy again from private enterprise. We pay twice for the same service.
Again, speak for yourself. My parents haven't had private insurance for ages and the service they get is actually quite good where they live. You may suffer from long waits in bigger towns, but this is not AT ALL the same difficulty found in other places. Besides, the same doctors working in private hospitals may normally be found in public places.
through taxes, we pay the state for safekeeping. But if you want good security, we must buy back the private sector. We pay twice for the same service.
Another example of panic behavior by Brazilians; places like S�o Paulo have battled urban crime with clear results, with a homicide rate that is almost 3x lower than in places like DC, Detroit or New Orleans. If people stopped reading tabloids and watching cop shows, perhaps this myth could be busted more easily.
You DON'T need armored cars, you DON'T need bodyguards and you DON'T need private helicopters. Unless you are one of those scared mama's boys, of course.
through property taxes, we pay the State for good roads. But if you want good road, we need to pay tolls. We pay twice for the same service.
Property taxes are, by definition, NOT bound to road conservation only; besides, I'd rather pay for a great road (as we have now in many places) than expect potholes. Tolls are a fact of life in many countries, although I agree that they could be more reasonable in S�o Paulo and other states - whose fault is it? Perhaps our own for not pushing for collective transportation, instead of prioritizing cars for everything. And as society continues to protest, toll prices will surely go down - just don't expect things to change when you don't even contact your representative about that.
social security is a joke. Even if we pay the maximum amount for retirement, when we receive, we receive less than a third of the amount paid to social security.
Agreed, but this comes much more from public servants unwilling to let go of their privileges than anything else. The lobby is strong, you know...
no tools for punishing politicians who carry out crimes against the public budget. The politicians protect themselves. There is no transparency in public accounts.
Never in the history of Brazil have so many politicians and crooks been punished for their crimes, both in terms of electoral defeats and jail time. Another point that you seem to forget: in the past we didn't see anything and corruption continued unabated; now we see a LOT of stuff going on exactly because the police and judiciary are working more than ever before.
The weight tributary to the Brazilian state suffocates the taxpayers more and more.
Sure; but with the nation increasing its international participation, things will have to come down to more reasonable terms - but don't forget that the State NEVER wants to lower taxes, and this is true for any country out there.
we have the highest interest rates in the world. And there is no control over the banking spread.
There is no project for the country. Whether or not the government is PT or PSDB, little changes.
Again, too much pessimism for nothing; interest rates are high because our government still spends too much and needs to finance inefficiency as well as attract foreign capital. Everyone knows that and pressure is mounting to reduce this charge, which was MUCH higher some 8 years ago...just don't expect this to happen overnight.
As for projects, the growth of the country and its huge infrastructure initiatives speak for themselves. To deny this fact is to perpetuate this sickly negativity that only pushes Brazil down. Start looking at the half-full side of the glass, please.
For people like you the country will never be good enough, especially since you're neither patriot nor a believer in turning something for the better.
I think we live in different countries, because what you see here is:
through taxes, we pay the State for education. But if we want good education, we must buy back the private sector. We pay twice for the same service.
Brazil's best Universities are public; as for primary public schools, it's clear that the uniformization of our educational system has brought improvements, even though regional differences exist. But to generalize this is to forget how crappy the same public schools are in some regions of the US and Europe.
through taxes, we pay the state for health. But if we want good health, we need to buy again from private enterprise. We pay twice for the same service.
Again, speak for yourself. My parents haven't had private insurance for ages and the service they get is actually quite good where they live. You may suffer from long waits in bigger towns, but this is not AT ALL the same difficulty found in other places. Besides, the same doctors working in private hospitals may normally be found in public places.
through taxes, we pay the state for safekeeping. But if you want good security, we must buy back the private sector. We pay twice for the same service.
Another example of panic behavior by Brazilians; places like S�o Paulo have battled urban crime with clear results, with a homicide rate that is almost 3x lower than in places like DC, Detroit or New Orleans. If people stopped reading tabloids and watching cop shows, perhaps this myth could be busted more easily.
You DON'T need armored cars, you DON'T need bodyguards and you DON'T need private helicopters. Unless you are one of those scared mama's boys, of course.
through property taxes, we pay the State for good roads. But if you want good road, we need to pay tolls. We pay twice for the same service.
Property taxes are, by definition, NOT bound to road conservation only; besides, I'd rather pay for a great road (as we have now in many places) than expect potholes. Tolls are a fact of life in many countries, although I agree that they could be more reasonable in S�o Paulo and other states - whose fault is it? Perhaps our own for not pushing for collective transportation, instead of prioritizing cars for everything. And as society continues to protest, toll prices will surely go down - just don't expect things to change when you don't even contact your representative about that.
social security is a joke. Even if we pay the maximum amount for retirement, when we receive, we receive less than a third of the amount paid to social security.
Agreed, but this comes much more from public servants unwilling to let go of their privileges than anything else. The lobby is strong, you know...
no tools for punishing politicians who carry out crimes against the public budget. The politicians protect themselves. There is no transparency in public accounts.
Never in the history of Brazil have so many politicians and crooks been punished for their crimes, both in terms of electoral defeats and jail time. Another point that you seem to forget: in the past we didn't see anything and corruption continued unabated; now we see a LOT of stuff going on exactly because the police and judiciary are working more than ever before.
The weight tributary to the Brazilian state suffocates the taxpayers more and more.
Sure; but with the nation increasing its international participation, things will have to come down to more reasonable terms - but don't forget that the State NEVER wants to lower taxes, and this is true for any country out there.
we have the highest interest rates in the world. And there is no control over the banking spread.
There is no project for the country. Whether or not the government is PT or PSDB, little changes.
Again, too much pessimism for nothing; interest rates are high because our government still spends too much and needs to finance inefficiency as well as attract foreign capital. Everyone knows that and pressure is mounting to reduce this charge, which was MUCH higher some 8 years ago...just don't expect this to happen overnight.
As for projects, the growth of the country and its huge infrastructure initiatives speak for themselves. To deny this fact is to perpetuate this sickly negativity that only pushes Brazil down. Start looking at the half-full side of the glass, please.
Chip NoVaMac
Apr 18, 10:28 AM
The right to bear arms ? In a toy store ? Really...
And they don't infringe your rights at all, the constitution grants you rights in your dealings with the government, not private entities.
I think that Coolestdude is upset over this -
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=190
A debate over a lease near an NRA space. To that end - spend your dollars where you want is my say on it....
And they don't infringe your rights at all, the constitution grants you rights in your dealings with the government, not private entities.
I think that Coolestdude is upset over this -
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=190
A debate over a lease near an NRA space. To that end - spend your dollars where you want is my say on it....
